The West thirsts for blood, supporting fascists in Ukraine

Bloody collisions on the Grushevskogo street and impunity of neo-fascist fighters conduct the country to civil war and state split —the political scientist, the president of the Centre of the system analysis and forecasting Rostislav Vladimirovich Ishchenko answers the questions of «The world and we» .

— The political scientists supporting Euromaidan, claim that this phenomenon is especially spontaneous, national, and opposition and the oligarchs and the western states have no relation to its organization. What do you think of such point of view?

Maidan collected at best 2−3 thousand and even 300−400 people as spontaneous people’s movement. Only once it was succeeded to collect about 15 thousand, including all party activists, but it was the so-called «party» Maidan. And those which was advertised as «national» on European Square, was very small. Therefore, if this is the national will, so there are10−15 thousand people in the country and all the others are not the people.

In the night from November 29 to November 30, Maidan received the second breath — then as a result of provocation there was a power dispersal. After that, really, rather numerous crowd was gathered. But it is impossible to organize provocation of this sort without oligarchic feed. In this situation, from my point of view, there is an obvious oligarchic trace and its organizational role is paramount because during this event there was so much coincidence that it can’t be casual in any way.

Someone for some reason gave the order to disperse Maidan, thus on the other hand there were «indicative», rigid provocations, at 4 o’clock in the morning there is an Inter channel camera on Maidan for some reason, for some reason Gerashchenko representing UDAR party shouts that Maidan disperse at 2 o’clock in the morning.

It should be noted, Inter T. V. channel and Gerashchenko are connected with the former head of Presidential Administration Sergey Levochkin and the oligarch Dmitry Firtash. And for some reason in the morning of next day Levochkin resigns and deputies from the related Party of Regions suddenly start declaring the intention to leave party and fraction.

And this with the fact that there was no investigation yet and nobody knows what occurred. There was only a cutting of shots on the Inter channel. In a week it became clear that the full plot was shown far not that actually «Berkut» was deliberately provoked to force use. Such number of coincidence to the same surname and oligarchic group seems quite strange and therefore there is no speech about any accident.

Especially, it is not a secret that exactly Levochkin was the lobbyist of European integration into Presidential Administration. And Firtash’s group put the interests while interests of other Financial Industrial Group and, of course, economy of Ukraine weren’t reflected into the agreement on association — this agreement threatened with national economy destruction. Therefore the political and economic situation of this group was directly connected with signing of this agreement.

And next day after the agreement wasn’t signed, and declared that the guilty will be punished, suddenly there is a provocation, and Maidan receives the second breath — storm of state institutions begins. Therefore to say that it was spontaneous national will without oligarchic feed, from my point of view is absolutely to close eyes to truth.

As for the foreign states, already there is the joke about the country — all Ministers of Foreign Affairs and ambassadors of all western states and as representatives of State Department of the USA gathered on Maidan in independent Ukraine and started accusing Russia of intervention in internal affairs of Ukraine.

It reflects a situation in the middle of December when really Maidan was visited by the western diplomats in a huge number, and declared that won’t allow power dispersal, demanded to clean «Berkut» from Maidan. Intervention is obvious here and on one party of the conflict. Yanukovych was openly demanded to sign the agreement on association, to resign and appoint the early presidential election. And it was done not somebody as by official representatives of the western states.

Thus, «national will» in the form of 20 thousand unemployed brought from the Western Ukraine who call themselves as the Lvov businessmen, but rejoice that they are given free sandwiches and tea, isn’t expression of the will of all people.

The characteristic moment is that in spite of the fact that provocation was arranged obviously counting on students' indignation of the Kiev and they are 250 thousand people in the city, students didn’t come to Maidan. At best they were 15 thousand there in the most peak days, including brought from Lviv.

If all Kiev students would come to Maidan and stay there at least two weeks, today we would have other power. It is clear that such crowd would attract Yanukovych’s other active enemies, after all Kiev for 70% votes against the Party of Regions, and then revolution simply would be successful. And now we see that «national will» collects 2−3 thousand people, and practically there is the hangout on the Khreshchatyk. If it is the Ukrainian people, I grudge the Ukrainian state. Therefore I think that people who say that there is no any intervention of the West, there is no intervention of oligarchs — they simply palter, they should so speak such, there is their work.

The only thing with what it is possible to agree, is that this Maidan wasn’t planned for the end of 2013. Therefore it was such sickly and fascists actually could monopolize it. The Maidan prepared for 2015 because according to the logic of actions of our western colleagues, Yanukovych had to sign the agreement on association. And he agreed to sign it — only on November 21 they got to know that he suddenly changed the mind, and till November 29 still counted that he will arrive and sign.

After signing of the agreement on association the Ukrainian economy had to collapse, and literally within half a year the country had to plunge into a poverty gloom. It is clear that in 2015 Yanukovych wasn’t going to give the power. Especially he wasn’t going to give the power in such situation when he would appear responsible for almost full impoverishment of the people. Here Maidan was necessary for this purpose — in order that at the end of 2014 — the beginning of 2015 if he tries to count «correctly» the voices for them and to remain in power, to send him by means of this Maidan.

It is not a secret that such Maidan was organized. Since 2011 it was known that the Embassy of the USA develops the work with students in all areas of Ukraine, organizational structures are created, financing is carried out. In same the German diplomats were noticed also. But this work was calculated for a year and suddenly everything broke at the end of 2013.

Therefore the leaders of opposition weren’t ready — they weren’t «format» yet, didn’t appoint main «Yushchenko» of 2015. The West which didn’t understand what to do wasn’t ready also in this situation as if to demand Yanukovych’s removal who will sign the agreement on association? Shift had to take place rather legitimately — he had to sign the resignation and dismiss parliament. But if someone following signs the agreement on association, Klitschko or Yatsenyuk, then all negative from this signing will fall to him, then he will be guilty in a people impoverishment. That is, the westernized politician brought to power by hands of the West, will be responsible for this impoverishment. Such option was unacceptable.

The West started developing hastily new strategy which in the middle of December was sounded — from Yanukovych it was demanded to replace the government, to sign the agreement on association, to appoint early presidential and parliamentary elections and after that to leave. But while this strategy was developed, whether it wasn’t clear to support this Maidan, the position of the West was rather sluggish. They said only that the main thing is the absence of violence from both parties, closing eyes that it blossomed on Maidan by magnificent color.

And by then, when strategy of the West was developed, Maidan already resolved — there were only the bums. And even those 50−60 thousand people who gathered on Maidan right after provocation in the night from November 29 to November 30, ceased to come to it. Much of them became uncomfortable because they saw — Maidan is captured by fascists, and round them the fighters, ready to kill the political opponents run, to take office buildings and to turn them in hangout.

Many said that this Maidan is not such as it was in 2004. And all faced that even Kiev which has been in opposition adjusted to Yanukovych, didn’t support Maidan. Therefore already two steps away from Maidan you won’t find the people decorated with European ribbons in Kiev, you won’t find such number of cars with tags which were in 2004. And it is frankly the lie to call the people’s will the inhabitants of Kiev who didn’t support Maidan. Especially as already several times the leaders of opposition called for a national strike as the means of removal of Yanukovych, but it didn’t occur — the people didn’t go on strike. What is this national will if within months the people even don’t want to come to a strike?! Therefore national indignation exists only in minds of the engaged political scientists and the employed journalists.

— Will the agreements between Ukraine and Russia, signed on December 17, be significant step for situation stabilization in Ukraine and for change of a foreign policy vector of Ukraine towards the Customs Union?

These arrangements partially affected a situation, but yet in a decisive way. For Russia there was rather difficult situation in Ukraine, and in many respects the Russian management is responsible for that, which all the time tried to speak only with the official Ukrainian power, without trying to work with pro-Russian adjusted electorate.

As a result it faced that after the Party of Regions betrayed the pre-election slogans, after Yanukovych declared that he is the most important European integrator, it appeared there is nobody for Russia to speak in Ukraine. And very long time while Yanukovych didn’t understand that the West doesn’t leave him as the president of Ukraine and won’t give him money, the Ukrainian management frankly didn’t wish to talk to Russia in general. Unless only that if Russia wants very much, it can finance European integration of Ukraine — from Russia it was demanded unilateral economic concessions, but didn’t want to go on any arrangements at all.

Therefore when Yanukovych appeared in a crisis situation, and he should have found a support, he addressed to Russia in the last turn. Originally there were attempts to convince Brussels that it is necessary to give money, then the visit to China followed, but they didn’t give him money. Then already in despair Nikolay Yanovich Azarov frankly declared that we agreed to destroy all Ukrainian economy for the sake of them and they regretted 20 billion dollars. Only after that Yanukovych went to Russia, and he was to provide financing on rather severe constraints agreed in order that the power and the country didn’t go out of business finally. They agreed as to speak about joint projects, but in case Yanukovych makes certain steps. That is, now Yanukovych became on the road which inevitably conducts him in the Customs Union. But it is possible to stop in any road and crawfish.

Yanukovych doesn’t want the Customs Union. And he will try to break from this way in every way and constantly. Another thing is that nobody except Russia is ready to provide necessary resources for deduction him in power and therefore while he has no other options. If necessary resources appear, if the European Union suddenly wakes up and will tell that provides 20 billion euro, he right will run in other direction. Simply E. U. has no money for this purpose. But approximately in half a year-year at continuation of events the same way, Yanukovych will be compelled to make a final choice for the Customs Union as he will have no other way.

He still now thinks that the door to the west is open for him. Actually it is already absolutely unacceptable for the West — they let him know frankly in December, 2013. Therefore Yanukovych still has one way — to the East. But also they don’t trust him especially. Therefore all the actions, Russia connects with his certain actions.

I think that a situation for Russia in Ukraine will be considerable more reliable if Russia at last finds a way to involve mechanisms for work with the pro-Russian Ukrainian voters even through Yanukovych’s head and Party of Regions. Now the Ukrainian power is in such situation, is so dependent on Russia that they won’t be able to prevent it.

If Russia can work and as Americans say that these people and organizations are inviolable, and they will work with you, and differently you won’t see money, and that we will take away distances back, the authorities will allow them to work at any their activity. In such situation Russia will be able to create here the serious pro-Russian civil society, the untwisted leaders of public opinion and information space, information resources which will be able to press on any Ukrainian government.

— Bloody collisions on the Grushevskogo street, fighters with machine guns are the neo-fascists who have got out of hand, a new course of official Ukrainian opposition or the next «color» revolution realized by the West?

This extremism isn’t favorable neither to Klitschko, nor Tyaghnybok, nor Yatsenyuk. They lose chances to become the legal president —the country doesn’t vote for fascists. And they soiled in fascism.

At first sight, it is unprofitable to the western countries to give a hand to fascists.

But they, nevertheless, support fascists, and it is known to all. And it is clear that the old woman Merkel who was played with respectable Klitschko earlier, risks at any press conference to hear a question from the Ukrainian journalist: «Madam Merkel, is it not enough for you that your predecessor Adolf Hitler made in Ukraine? After all you begin the civil war here!». And then shots of that occurred will follow. And it will be not burning tires — now there is the matter that firing will begin already tomorrow, and we will consider corpses as tens. Therefore Mrs. Merkel risks to live up to the premature resignation.

But, nevertheless, the West plays this game. Possibly, the reason of conducting this game is simple. At any stage in the West it became clear that Ukraine left to Russia finally and irrevocably. And Ukraine decided not to give without consolation prize to Poland in the form of Galicia.

Now the situation specially is carried to civil war then to make a helpless gesture and to tell — well, they can’t live together! They are at war — it is necessary to rescue them. And the same West will tell the Russians — we don’t object and even ask, enter the peacekeeping armies and put them across Zbruch on the one hand, and Poles become with another. And Ukraine won’t exist more. Exactly for this purpose the spiral of civil war in Ukraine also is untwisted. And it is obvious to all that it is untwisted.

It is obvious that nobody especially love Yanukovych. He forced the voters to hate himself. There were no bases at militia to love him and «Berkut» doesn’t especially intensively protect him. Certainly, all this Maidan could win round both the Southeast and militia. But if from the first day «Berkut» demands to dismiss, kill, put, disperse Maidan, so will it come over to the their side?! Moreover, if Yanukovych continues to constrain «Berkut», he will wait for that he will be shot down by own and then will go to disperse Maidan.

Possibly, Victor Fedorovich’s psychological portrait was well-known.

It was clear that in the first day he will disperse nobody, won’t enter state of emergency. And if he wasn’t such coward and state of emergency was entered still on November 30, now wouldn’t be neither the burned buildings, nor the destroyed Khreshchatyk, corpses on streets. And now you won’t manage two-three corpses— there will be tens. And every day risk of that their account will go to hundreds and even to thousands more and more. But all understood how he will act.

Certainly, the West didn’t speak to fascist fighters from Maidan — go to beat «Berkut», go to kill people. Why to be mud in that? The psychological portrait of fascist fighters is known for everyone too. And it was clear to all what they will do if to let out them on the street. It also occurred. Now all simply wait for that moment when big blood will begin.

It isn’t known, how many the militia will execute the order not to touch geeks and bandits who went to the streets of Kiev. For today already they «made» the corpses of protesters. It didn’t work — all didn’t break in a corkscrew. Probably, they will make corpses of family members someone from militia. Not incidentally the appeals to leave with firearms sound constantly and to shoot at militia, to kill members of their families.

And the people, who these appeals sound, can’t but understand that if it constantly dangles in information space, sooner or later there will be a moron who will kill somebody. Also he will demand the Hero of Ukraine for that.

And if start killing militia and to kill members of their families, it isn’t known how many «Berkut' will stay, executing the order to touch nobody. Probably two-three minutes. Then will smooth out Maidan and will kill all fighters. Simply because they can’t go home and protect own family. As soon as they will disperse, them will be caught and will be killed one by one. They represent any force only when they are together. And now it is the only force which really holds an order in the country. And if there is a militia general who leaves to «Berkut» and will tell: «Yanukovych is traitor! Disperse Maidan!», they will carry him on hands.

Therefore the situation is specially provoked. At first brought to a non-return point when the militia can’t already disperse at all. And now it protects not only Yanukovych’s state, but also and the families. And further it provoke to a slaughter. And as it becomes purposefully, and Yanukovych doesn’t enter state of emergency, doesn’t give command to disperse the bandits, so the slaughter will be. And after a slaughter there will be the section of Ukraine obligatory because already now it is possible to determine by geography of the seized Regional State Administrations rather accurately border on which this section will occur.

There where the fighters will seize the Regional State administrations, and then will beaten out from there, or where they will be separate an impregnation in stable society, there will be a Southeast power. And where the fighters will take and will sit, there will be West power. From one hand and another, the corresponding peacekeeping forces will enter.

Here the analogy to the Russian emperor Nikolay the Second. He didn’t keep neither himself, nor his family, nor Russia because signed renunciation. But if he started suppressing mutiny in Petersburg, would address directly to fighting officers and to generals, who supported him, he could keep the country.

The same is with Yanukovych. His fear to apply militia bludgeons because he can be called as the bloody dictator, fear to disperse Maidan while he didn’t bring the fighters together, and they didn’t become impudent from impunity yet, brought the country to a prolog of civil war.